01.29.09
It’s all yours, toots
By now you know about the demonstration of spine, fealty to principle and common sense, and party unity exhibited by House Pubs who, to a member, voted no on the “stimulus package.”
And, with the delusionality typical of totalitarians, she tries to make it sound like everyone in the field of economics is on board with the need for government to cure this recession. As the Cato Institute’s full-page ad in the NYT shows, that just ain’t so.
Kind of reminds one of Al Gore’s attempt to portray climate science as “settled.”
MR. Dings said,
January 29, 2009 at 5:21 pm
This all just affirms that this is a FUBARred mess. Fat chance of anything working is what I think.
MR. Dings said,
January 29, 2009 at 5:29 pm
But I too would have voted “no” to the stimulus package. We’ll see what the Senate does, and if they vote it in, well, it is the law of the land, so live with it and let’s try to make it work. What are you going to do? Civilly disobey?
MR. Dings said,
January 29, 2009 at 5:33 pm
And Pelosi does have some very valid points there. Bush left us this deficit and you surely can’t say you wouldn’t blame a Demo admin for it were the tables turned.
Bentnotesmanhisself said,
January 29, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Does this “stimulus bill” do a damn thing to bring the deficit down, or does it make it a gazillion times worse?
MR. Dings said,
January 29, 2009 at 5:51 pm
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9901
Go to this Cato Institute article to find the causes of this current “whatever it is” and you will find the authors’ opinions that they began in 2001, under whose watch? Now, 10 days into clean-up time for a new administration you are carping about proposed and soon to be legislated remedies. Too soon, too soon to tell. I personally have been dealing with stuff the mass of whatever they think they are are dealing with now for over 15 years in the insurance industry. Sometimes I capitalized upon it, sometimes I didn’t. My spouse was downsized from an increasingly responsible position she had consistently done well at and had held for 20 years. Long stories, don’t expect sympathy. Never stopped saving, never stopped working. Don’t expect to yet, either. Evidently too many of the people that matter are affected this time and they don’t like it one bit. Boo hoo.
Bentnotesmanhisself said,
January 29, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Again, I can see that you’re trying to be clever and throw up a smokescreen, but you fail to do so. Are we conservatives happy about the performance of the Pub Congress of the early part of this decade? You know we’re not. If you thought I’d defend their lack of principle, you miscalculated.
It’s not too soon to tell. This thing is a shameless pork-fest and socialist redistrinbution scheme. Barely any of it gets spent in the next year. Back to the Cato ad. These folks don’t think it’s too soon to tell.
MR. Dings said,
January 29, 2009 at 6:08 pm
I dunno, line all the economists up and have them submit a vote with their cell phones, like I hear they do for American Idol (not that I could ever endure watching it). We’ll never know whether letting the chips fall where they may would have worked because bank and car cos. got bailed out by the Bush admin. and Congress did not even have a vote about the banks. Word is that neither industry is even closed to healed yet.
MR. Dings said,
January 29, 2009 at 6:38 pm
I respect the economists in the Cato ad. We still have a lot of finger pointing going on here and nothing is improving yet. You lost dude, even before the election, given your choice of some stentorian television actor that was apparently the best thing for far too few since John Wayne.
MR. Dings said,
January 29, 2009 at 7:10 pm
You said Pelosi “with the delusionality typical of totalitarians,” tries to make it sound as if every economist is on board with the need for government to cure this serious and frightening recession, when she says that economists of every ideological stripe agree that government investments are the only way of getting our economy moving again. I think there’s a difference there. The linked article asks “Is Pelosi Panicking?” Yet I see no tone of panic in the leaked memo. The bill passed (and how is that totalitarian to run a bill through the US Congress) by a sound and secure margin, and there is no need to panic. It had better work though. Already, 10 days into it, Rush is saying that Senatorial Dems up for reelection in the Senate better watch their ps and qs. I never in my life heard such crying from the losers.
Bentnotesmanhisself said,
January 29, 2009 at 7:22 pm
The panic is that the record will show that, at least in the House, only Freedom-Haters voted for it, so they will own its success or failure. Also, she is now aware that the GOP is getting its spine back and will most deifinitely not do bipartisanship when the move to be considered leads to socialism and economic wreckage.
How exactly can the government “invest” in anything? It does so with private-sector dollars, either seized through taxation or borrowed.
Again, back to Common Sense 101: how about if we the people just keep our damn money in the first place?
Ah, that can’t fly in the new regime. Where will Nan and TCM get their power?
MR. Dings said,
January 29, 2009 at 7:26 pm
I’m for it, keeping the money. Mo money. How can you expect Dems to have common sense when Repubbies did not either? Of course the Dems own the bill and if it fails they own that too. Like Bush’s War. And Bush’s economy. Done deal. Done in.
MR. Dings said,
January 29, 2009 at 9:29 pm
What I am getting from the Americans I talk to is that they want something to work, especially themselves. If it doesn’t work, then what? We have no choice, short of revolution, but to try to work this thing out together. There is where my hopes are faltering. This is another big test for democracy here for sure.
MR. Dings said,
January 29, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Call it a demonstration of spine, fealty to principle and common sense, and party unity. the Repubbies lost the free elections in our free land. God Bless America! Cry us a river, you are making fools of yourselves now, though, too early to be crying. Show some spine.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090129/ap_on_el_ge/republicans
Senate GOP leader: Party must explain core values
By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer Liz Sidoti, Associated Press Writer – 39 mins ago
Where do Republicans go from here?
AP WASHINGTON – After crushing defeats in back-to-back elections, the top Senate Republican warned Thursday that the GOP risks remaining out of power in the White House and Congress unless it better explains its core principles to woo one-time faithful and new loyalists.
“The results of the two recent elections are real, and so are the obstacles we face as a party,” Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., told the Republican National Committee on Thursday. “My concern is that unless we do something to adapt, our status as a minority party may become too pronounced for an easy recovery.”
MR. Dings said,
January 30, 2009 at 1:14 am
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/01/28/national/w044010S25.DTL
01-29) 04:31 PST WASHINGTON, (AP) –
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says that while critics may quibble with some elements of spending in the $819 billion economic rescue plan, Democrats were willing to act — and Republicans were not.
Discussing the plan that the House approved on a strictly party line vote, Pelosi acknowledged Republican criticism that large sums of money are set aside for favored Democratic programs such as aid to education and Medicare. But she said “we are definitely stepping up to the plate to say we’ll be accountable.”
But there is something worrisomely wrong with an economic fix that not a single Repubby voted for. That indicates to me that this thing was too hurriedly drafted and moved on through. It
MR. Dings said,
January 30, 2009 at 11:17 am
Where is the budget line to continue the feckless (and very expensive, though it has bankrolled an entire network of freedom haters) Drug War?
MR. Dings said,
January 30, 2009 at 12:25 pm
I heard the news today, oh boy, this situation may last as long as 5 years. 4 unemployed workers for every job opening (when the norm is 1.5, I liked 2 girls for every boy much better, but I’m supposed to be a grown-up now.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100026710
This economist, admittedly on NPR, says the only way out is government intervention. Guess we’ll never know about that invisible hand, but some can forever gripe now. Or hope for failure and to be able to say, I told you so. It’s gonna be very painful in the panning out. But of course, you/yours know what to do. Get a job!
Bentnotesmanhisself said,
January 30, 2009 at 2:33 pm
I’ve figured out the root of your muddied view of things. You really have to spend more time with outlets of clarity and principle and less with hard-left organs like Time, AP, NPR, the SF Gate and the New Yorker.
As for the notion – which, I’ll concede to you, is a fact – that the conservative movement (I don’t use the term “Republicans”; that party per se doesn’t interest me nearly as much as the body of values and principles that are true and good) needs more effective communication of what it’s about than ever before – well, that’s what BN, for one, is all about.
Now go bury your nose in National Review for an hour. With Rush on the radio.
MR. Dings said,
January 30, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Can I listen to Dennis Miller? (hard to find him clearly on the dial around here though). He’s here though@http://www.dennismillerradio.com/
As for muddled thinking, it’s in the eyedeas of the beholden. Actually, I find my own opinions affirmed most often there at the alleged hard left organs. I have noticed a polarization for quite some time involving rejection of ideas because of where they come from rather than for what they are. Bush left us a mess, internationally and domestically. I am not inclined to go back to where I think he and his screwed up. It might still be screwed up or worse in 4 years, but, Good God, by then I hope at least our youth will have learned.
Bentnotesmanhisself said,
January 30, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Have you ever heard me disagree with your assetion that W governed poorly and left us a mess?