Comments on: We’ve really tried to avoid the term “Stalinist,” given how over-the-top its application usually is http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/ Ruminations on music, culture, America and the world stage Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:44:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Mr. Dings http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/comment-page-1/#comment-106820 Mr. Dings Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:38:33 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/#comment-106820 It's OK, TR set me straight. Go for it. "The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that ... there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else." Theodore Roosevelt It’s OK, TR set me straight. Go for it.

“The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that … there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else.”

Theodore Roosevelt

]]> By: Bentnotesmanhisself http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/comment-page-1/#comment-106814 Bentnotesmanhisself Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:26:56 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/#comment-106814 You have me pegged right on this one. I regard TCM the way I do our foreign foes. You have me pegged right on this one. I regard TCM the way I do our foreign foes.

]]> By: Mr. Dings http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/comment-page-1/#comment-106809 Mr. Dings Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:10:02 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/#comment-106809 The ND prexy said as much as the Anchoress. You gotta understand that there are many factions within the American Catholic church. We are Americans, though, and our Chief Executive deserves respect because of the (freely) elected office he holds. I know, I know, one dropped trou and got caught at it, which doesn't help matters. And we can go on and on, but, it does seem the right is testing O as severely as any foreign foe. But, it's OK, go for it. "We are not ignoring the critical issue of the protection of life. On the contrary, we invited him because we care so much about those issues, and we hope … for this to be the basis of an engagement with him," Jenkins said. "You cannot change the world if you shun the people you want to persuade, and if you cannot persuade them … show respect for them and listen to them," he said. See also, http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/04/notre-dame-students-staff-show-support.html A steady stream of Notre Dame students and employees lined up at lunchtime at South Dining Hall to sign the petition saying they favor Obama's planned May 17 visit to campus....While a whole 26 people showed up to protest his appearance. The ND prexy said as much as the Anchoress. You gotta understand that there are many factions within the American Catholic church. We are Americans, though, and our Chief Executive deserves respect because of the (freely) elected office he holds. I know, I know, one dropped trou and got caught at it, which doesn’t help matters. And we can go on and on, but, it does seem the right is testing O as severely as any foreign foe. But, it’s OK, go for it.

“We are not ignoring the critical issue of the protection of life. On the contrary, we invited him because we care so much about those issues, and we hope … for this to be the basis of an engagement with him,” Jenkins said. “You cannot change the world if you shun the people you want to persuade, and if you cannot persuade them … show respect for them and listen to them,” he said.

See also, http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/04/notre-dame-students-staff-show-support.html

A steady stream of Notre Dame students and employees lined up at lunchtime at South Dining Hall to sign the petition saying they favor Obama’s planned May 17 visit to campus….While a whole 26 people showed up to protest his appearance.

]]> By: Mr. Dings http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/comment-page-1/#comment-106779 Mr. Dings Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:33:41 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/#comment-106779 Guess we can't argue that point, when you throw that book at us. When is their messiah coming? Is it us? Guess we can’t argue that point, when you throw that book at us. When is their messiah coming? Is it us?

]]> By: Bentnotesmanhisself http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/comment-page-1/#comment-106775 Bentnotesmanhisself Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:09:26 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/#comment-106775 The Jews aren't a race. Judaism is the way to follow God outlined in the Old testament. The Jews aren’t a race. Judaism is the way to follow God outlined in the Old testament.

]]> By: Mr. Dings http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/comment-page-1/#comment-106769 Mr. Dings Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:47:04 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/#comment-106769 Re: the linked blogpost, yep, not our call at all. Re: Israel lobby, wondering how you can claim "there is no need for any societal institution to have a racial identity or race-based policies in modern America." Re: the linked blogpost, yep, not our call at all. Re: Israel lobby, wondering how you can claim “there is no need for any societal institution to have a racial identity or race-based policies in modern America.”

]]> By: Bentnotesmanhisself http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/comment-page-1/#comment-106758 Bentnotesmanhisself Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:47:52 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/#comment-106758 Re: God's working through all things not often clear, you might enjoy The Anchoress's post on how maybe a greater purpose is at work in the TCM-at-Notre-Dame dust-up than is first clear to those of us so upset about it. http://theanchoressonline.com/2009/04/05/notre-dame-in-the-arena/ Re: society's need for the Israel lobby: not sure how you inferred that we didn't need it. Re: God’s working through all things not often clear, you might enjoy The Anchoress’s post on how maybe a greater purpose is at work in the TCM-at-Notre-Dame dust-up than is first clear to those of us so upset about it.

http://theanchoressonline.com/2009/04/05/notre-dame-in-the-arena/

Re: society’s need for the Israel lobby: not sure how you inferred that we didn’t need it.

]]> By: Mr. Dings http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/comment-page-1/#comment-106750 Mr. Dings Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:13:24 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/#comment-106750 You mean our society has no need for the Israel lobby? You mean our society has no need for the Israel lobby?

]]> By: Mr. Dings http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/comment-page-1/#comment-106748 Mr. Dings Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:02:08 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/#comment-106748 And yes, we have God, through Whom "all things work together for good," though it's not often clear in the diurnal struggles. And even when it becomes clear, it might only be for a season, or only just a portion of a day. At least that's the way it looks today. And yes, we have God, through Whom “all things work together for good,” though it’s not often clear in the diurnal struggles. And even when it becomes clear, it might only be for a season, or only just a portion of a day. At least that’s the way it looks today.

]]> By: Bentnotesmanhisself http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/comment-page-1/#comment-106746 Bentnotesmanhisself Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:56:46 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/04/14/weve-really-tried-to-avoid-the-term-stalinist-given-how-over-the-top-its-application-ususally-is/#comment-106746 Yeah, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd have some nice threads, don't they? Yeah, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd have some nice threads, don’t they?

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