06.26.09

So much for counting on China to pressure North Korea

Posted in Contact at 8:00 pm by Administrator

They aren’t interested.

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  1. Mr.Dings said,

    June 27, 2009 at 2:00 am

    Do you think that other countries view our invasion of Iraq, the Bush Doctine and the international tanking of the global economy our “best and brightest” engineered in some kind of positive light and that they might trust us? You blamed the Chinese students’ mocking reactions to Geithner’s remarks there on June 1 on Obama and the weakness of his administration, just 4 1/2 mos. into it all at the time. I see it as merely a continuation of the contempt generated by Bush and his actions throughout the world. I know we have to stop blaming Bush at some point, but that point ain’t there. So, we really have our hands tied with preemptivity here. The whole world is still watching. I know your reaction to that is “screw them,” but we already tried that with certainly tenuous results. I’d laugh too if someone from the Federal Government or, worse, an official from, say, Citibank, said my assets are safe. We still need to work with China and Russia, like we always have, basically. Or would you prefer another extended military conflict? Perhaps the issues will be red hot by the time of the next campaign, giving us a clear choice between hawk and dove.

  2. Bentnotesmanhisself said,

    June 27, 2009 at 3:15 am

    The notion that China isn’t exerting the pressure it should on North Korea because of something George Bush did is utterly laughable.
    And, yes, those students were guffawing at Geithner’s attempt at reassuring them of a rosy economic future.  What’s your evidence, or even some kind of substantiation for your intuition, that W had a flipping thing to do with it?

  3. Mr. Dings said,

    June 27, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Intuition? The evidence of history is that 8 years of Bush led to American exceptionalism, exceptional assholianism. The evidence of history is that the banks “almost” failed under Bush, and the largest bail-outs in history began with Bush. That is the reason for the Republican defeat and why all this Demo legislation is getting passed. You blame Obama for everything. People here and elsewhere lost faith in both our bravado and our bookkeeping. Under Bush. Many in this country and abroad did not appreciate a country with an attitude like that displayed by America under the Bush administration. Instead of furthering prosperity, it brought us to calamity. They woulda laughed at Paulson too.

    Now if you were living elsewhere on June 2, 2002, what would you think when you heard these words from the Commander in Chief of the most powerful military in the world?

    “We cannot defend America and our friends by hoping for the best. We cannot put our faith in the word of tyrants, who solemnly sign non-proliferation treaties, and then systemically break them. If we wait for threats to fully materialize, we will have waited too long — Our security will require transforming the military you will lead — a military that must be ready to strike at a moment’s notice in any dark corner of the world. And our security will require all Americans to be forward-looking and resolute, to be ready for preemptive action when necessary to defend our liberty and to defend our lives.”

    And, yes, neither Americans nor Chinese trust our financial system.

    http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/10/16/trust_q/

    Thursday, October 16, 2008

    Banks don’t trust each other. Investors don’t trust the market. And, people think their mattresses are the safest place for cash.

    If it had worked, your people would still be in power. Instead you carp and cry and finger-point.

  4. Bentnotesmanhisself said,

    June 27, 2009 at 11:25 am

    You’ve proved nothing. Your lengthy comment doesn’t say a word about the Chinese official who made the remarks about North Korean sanctions, or the students who were listening to Geithner.

    And BTW, W was spot-on in that June 02 speech.

    Also, I’m familiar with most of the widely recognized schools of foreign policy, but I’ve not heard of this assholianism. What are its main tenets?

  5. Mr. Dings said,

    June 27, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    I thought I already addressed both issues. So China’s not going to impose economic sanctions. Well, what now, preemptively strike Norkor and play right into all their hands? Re: assholianism, lighten up a bit, will ya? Oh yeah, Bushie sounded tough in that speech at West Point in ‘02. Problem is that he set an untenable precedent in invading Iraq. Oh sure, they had WMDs . They still have not been found. We invaded, took over and executed a sovereign leader of a sovereign land. Actions speak louder than words to the world. But those were tough words. This Dick, this Rummie, this Wolfie, this Pearlie, where are they now? Someone decided there’s no room for assholes again at this juncture.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine

    Some commentators argue that U.S. intervention has not aimed to support genuine democratic regimes driven by local peoples, but rather US-friendly regimes installed by diplomats acting on behalf of the United States, and intended only to seem democratic to U.S. voters. For example, in the case of Afghanistan, it is argued that parliamentary democracy was downplayed by the US and power concentrated in the hands of the Afghan president Hamid Karzai, a U.S. ally. The election of Karzai has been described as the result of manipulation on the parts of the U.S. government and U.S. policy maker Zalmay Khalilzad. At the same time, these commentators draw attention to the number of unpopular (but U.S.-friendly) warlords achieving “legitimating” positions under U.S. supervision of the elections. Some commentators interpreted voter turnout figures as evidence of “large-scale fraud”. Sonali Kolhatkar and James Ingalls have written, “It remains to be seen if U.S. policy makers will ever allow anything approaching democracy to break out in Afghanistan and interfere with their plans.”
    Of the elections in Afghanistan, Sima Samar, former Afghan Minister for Women’s Affairs stated: This is not a democracy, it is a rubber stamp. Everything has already been decided by the powerful ones.

  6. Bentnotesmanhisself said,

    June 27, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    What kinds of options in Afghanistan were better than Karzai? Who is trying to track down the monsters who throw acid in girls’ faces for attending school?
    Of course we want the most US-friendly regimes we can push for. What? Should we press for unfriendly regimes?
    This is an example of the sick lack of rationality at the core of leftist foreign policy.

  7. Mr. Dings said,

    June 27, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    It’s not our country.

  8. Bentnotesmanhisself said,

    June 28, 2009 at 2:47 am

    But a whole ot of folks who wantto murder us all in our beds live there.

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