Comments on: Without being prepared for talks to fail, we’ll be on the losing side of the next phase http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/09/30/without-being-prepared-for-talks-to-fail-well-be-on-the-losing-side-of-the-next-phase/ Ruminations on music, culture, America and the world stage Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:28:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Mr. Dings http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/09/30/without-being-prepared-for-talks-to-fail-well-be-on-the-losing-side-of-the-next-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-123351 Mr. Dings Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:07:11 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/?p=1896#comment-123351 We know, bloggie, we know. We aren't going to preemptively strike yet though. I don't know whether that tears you up or not, but some here, and they just happen to be in power now, think the way we went about international diplomacy during the preceding 8 years was the wrong way. It is obvious that you are in pain and want to see this way fail as well. We know we do not have your support. Can we have your prayers? We know, bloggie, we know. We aren’t going to preemptively strike yet though. I don’t know whether that tears you up or not, but some here, and they just happen to be in power now, think the way we went about international diplomacy during the preceding 8 years was the wrong way. It is obvious that you are in pain and want to see this way fail as well. We know we do not have your support. Can we have your prayers?

]]> By: Bentnotesmanhisself http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/09/30/without-being-prepared-for-talks-to-fail-well-be-on-the-losing-side-of-the-next-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-123336 Bentnotesmanhisself Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:38:52 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/?p=1896#comment-123336 Well, we've been dealing with it diplomatically and Iran has been dealing with it duplicitously. We've extended carrots and unclenched fists and invitations to embassy weenie roasts, and Iran has kept on sponsoring terrorism and "World Without Zionism" conferences and exchanging technology with Syria and North Korea - and, mostto the point, proceeding with getting a nuclear arsenal. Well, we’ve been dealing with it diplomatically and Iran has been dealing with it duplicitously. We’ve extended carrots and unclenched fists and invitations to embassy weenie roasts, and Iran has kept on sponsoring terrorism and “World Without Zionism” conferences and exchanging technology with Syria and North Korea – and, mostto the point, proceeding with getting a nuclear arsenal.

]]> By: Mr. Dings http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/09/30/without-being-prepared-for-talks-to-fail-well-be-on-the-losing-side-of-the-next-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-123327 Mr. Dings Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:45:51 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/?p=1896#comment-123327 As for China, it seems to me that they know where there bread is buttered these days, but they also don't trust the deli clerks--US! Can you blame them? As for China, it seems to me that they know where there bread is buttered these days, but they also don’t trust the deli clerks–US! Can you blame them?

]]> By: Mr. Dings http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/09/30/without-being-prepared-for-talks-to-fail-well-be-on-the-losing-side-of-the-next-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-123326 Mr. Dings Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:44:58 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/?p=1896#comment-123326 Link for the above comment is: http://www.cfr.org/publication/8894/iran_expert_sick_advocates_usiran_dialogue_on_nuclear_issues_iraq.html I know, it's a bit dated. But it demonstrates how long we've been dealing with this problem diplomatically. As for getting Russia and China on board, it appears we are getting Russia in our corner. You might say that is because we capitulated to them on the Czech and Polish strategic weapons placements, but Bush appointee Gates says he's now got a better and more effective idea, hence you are on the outs with Gates. You might more Israeli than you are American, I dunno, you decide. Link for the above comment is: http://www.cfr.org/publication/8894/iran_expert_sick_advocates_usiran_dialogue_on_nuclear_issues_iraq.html

I know, it’s a bit dated. But it demonstrates how long we’ve been dealing with this problem diplomatically. As for getting Russia and China on board, it appears we are getting Russia in our corner. You might say that is because we capitulated to them on the Czech and Polish strategic weapons placements, but Bush appointee Gates says he’s now got a better and more effective idea, hence you are on the outs with Gates. You might more Israeli than you are American, I dunno, you decide.

]]> By: Mr. Dings http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/09/30/without-being-prepared-for-talks-to-fail-well-be-on-the-losing-side-of-the-next-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-123325 Mr. Dings Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:40:31 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/?p=1896#comment-123325 2) Sick says a deal like Iran-Contra was an attempt to break through. I dunno, can we make any other deals like that? LOL>.... 2) Sick says a deal like Iran-Contra was an attempt to break through. I dunno, can we make any other deals like that? LOL>….

]]> By: Mr. Dings http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/09/30/without-being-prepared-for-talks-to-fail-well-be-on-the-losing-side-of-the-next-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-123268 Mr. Dings Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:32:53 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/?p=1896#comment-123268 The settlements are obviously thought by many to be a huge obstacle to effective statecraft. Didn't Ben's opposition Tipi oppose them as well. It was by no means a landslide victory. I do consider Iran's sponsorship of Hamas and Hezbollah. Of course that's why Israel wants us, if not the rest of the world to spank, nay really penalize Iran. Why do the terrorists and many of the men in the street over there hate us so? Obviously, aside from our colonial attitudes, it's our support of Israel. Why do you hate the UN? Isn't it primarily because the majority don't back Israel either. Why is Europe again becoming more anti-Semitic by the day? The settlements are obviously thought by many to be a huge obstacle to effective statecraft. Didn’t Ben’s opposition Tipi oppose them as well. It was by no means a landslide victory. I do consider Iran’s sponsorship of Hamas and Hezbollah. Of course that’s why Israel wants us, if not the rest of the world to spank, nay really penalize Iran. Why do the terrorists and many of the men in the street over there hate us so? Obviously, aside from our colonial attitudes, it’s our support of Israel. Why do you hate the UN? Isn’t it primarily because the majority don’t back Israel either. Why is Europe again becoming more anti-Semitic by the day?

]]> By: Bentnotesmanhisself http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/09/30/without-being-prepared-for-talks-to-fail-well-be-on-the-losing-side-of-the-next-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-123242 Bentnotesmanhisself Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:27:47 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/?p=1896#comment-123242 Yes, I am in favor of the setlements. There are lots of Arabs - Muslim Arabs - living in Israel proper and even serving in the Knesset. Do you really think any Jewish residents - let alone legislators - would be welcome in a Palestinian state? So Iran can't obliterate Israel at present, only severely decimate it with a barrage of conventional-weapon-tipped missiles. So that means there's no urgency? Also, consider Iran's sponsorship of Hamas and Hizbollah. That's where those groups' rockets come from. Israel is pretty much alone in the world, since the official UN policy is that it is a villain state, Europe is becoming more anti-Semitic by the day, and now TCM is abandoning it. Yes, I am in favor of the setlements. There are lots of Arabs – Muslim Arabs – living in Israel proper and even serving in the Knesset. Do you really think any Jewish residents – let alone legislators – would be welcome in a Palestinian state?
So Iran can’t obliterate Israel at present, only severely decimate it with a barrage of conventional-weapon-tipped missiles. So that means there’s no urgency?
Also, consider Iran’s sponsorship of Hamas and Hizbollah. That’s where those groups’ rockets come from.
Israel is pretty much alone in the world, since the official UN policy is that it is a villain state, Europe is becoming more anti-Semitic by the day, and now TCM is abandoning it.

]]> By: Mr. Dings http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/09/30/without-being-prepared-for-talks-to-fail-well-be-on-the-losing-side-of-the-next-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-123230 Mr. Dings Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:14:46 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/?p=1896#comment-123230 “Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.” – Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001 “Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.” – Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001

]]> By: Mr. Dings http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/09/30/without-being-prepared-for-talks-to-fail-well-be-on-the-losing-side-of-the-next-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-123229 Mr. Dings Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:14:21 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/?p=1896#comment-123229 1) Israel's position under Netanyahu is that the West Bank settlements stay, nay they keep on building there. God gave that land to the chosen people, them. That is the main sticking point. To cry about various factions calling for the destruction of Israel (when Israel's own sitting Minister of Defense under Netanyahu just said barely 10 days ago that Iran cannot obliterate Israel at present, though the reverse is certainly a well-kept secret (shhh, Israel has nukes) is to cry crocodile tears. Yes indeedie, a nice way of putting it is that U.S. 'regrets' Netanyahu plan to approve new West Bank homes http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1112403.html Again, admittedly, you know much more about the details and history and all, but, frankly, you are an admitted Christian Zionist and tie the future of the Western world in with Israel. I do not share your fears at all. And I certainly don't want my grandchildren going down to Sheol (Hebrew afterworld) unwillingly over this fiasco in the sand there. If we're going to deal with it, we're going to deal with it diplomatically for as long as possible. And, we are going to have as many countries on board with how it is dealt with as possible. The Jews, as you have been reminded repeatedly here in these threads, constitute less than 1/10 of one per cent of the global population. 1) Israel’s position under Netanyahu is that the West Bank settlements stay, nay they keep on building there. God gave that land to the chosen people, them. That is the main sticking point. To cry about various factions calling for the destruction of Israel (when Israel’s own sitting Minister of Defense under Netanyahu just said barely 10 days ago that Iran cannot obliterate Israel at present, though the reverse is certainly a well-kept secret (shhh, Israel has nukes) is to cry crocodile tears. Yes indeedie, a nice way of putting it is that U.S. ‘regrets’ Netanyahu plan to approve new West Bank homes http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1112403.html Again, admittedly, you know much more about the details and history and all, but, frankly, you are an admitted Christian Zionist and tie the future of the Western world in with Israel. I do not share your fears at all. And I certainly don’t want my grandchildren going down to Sheol (Hebrew afterworld) unwillingly over this fiasco in the sand there. If we’re going to deal with it, we’re going to deal with it diplomatically for as long as possible. And, we are going to have as many countries on board with how it is dealt with as possible. The Jews, as you have been reminded repeatedly here in these threads, constitute less than 1/10 of one per cent of the global population.

]]> By: Mr. Dings http://barneyquick.net/blog/2009/09/30/without-being-prepared-for-talks-to-fail-well-be-on-the-losing-side-of-the-next-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-123220 Mr. Dings Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:26:37 +0000 http://barneyquick.net/blog/?p=1896#comment-123220 Your ole nemesis Crying American Eagle says Netanyahu is the anti Christ. Which might not be far from the truth, should WWIII break-out. He sure ain't Christian. Your ole nemesis Crying American Eagle says Netanyahu is the anti Christ. Which might not be far from the truth, should WWIII break-out. He sure ain’t Christian.

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